Indonesia’s Komodo National Park is infamous for its strong currents underwater. Emma Tolmie explains how learning to ride the lightning can lead to the best dives.
Komodo Diving – Dive Happy Episode 29 Show Notes
- Current Junkies – the liveaboard company for which Emma is Cruise Director.
- Diving Komodo Podcast – listen to Mike Veitch from Underwater Tribe talking about Komodo in this earlier Divehappy podcast
- Komodo Liveaboard Trip Report – from 2009, on MSY Damai
- EZ Dive Magazine article on a Komodo liveaboard – from 2008, on the Indonesia Siren
- Scuba Diver AustralAsia article on Komodo liveaboard diving – from 2007, on the Indo Aggressor (back then the Komodo Dancer)
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Komodo Diving – Dive Happy Episode 29 Transcript
[00:00:06] CM: Hello and welcome to Dive Happy, the podcast about finding the best scuba diving in Asia. I’m your host, Chris Mitchell, and on this episode, I’m joined by Emma Tolmie, cruise director for Current Junkies.
[00:00:19] ET: Good morning, Chris. Or should I say good afternoon to you. And thank you so much for having me.
[00:00:25] CM: You’re very welcome. Emma, I’ve dived in Komodo, and there’s a big distinction between Komodo Island, which is very small, and Komodo Marine Park, which is a very, very huge area. I’ve done trips that are 10 days long and I still feel like I’ve only just scratched the surface.
For your liveaboard, where do you focus? I mean, how would you decide on your itineraries?
[00:00:52] ET: Well, that’s a great question. Essentially, Komodo National Park is 1733 square kilometres of protected wildlife. Every trip is unique on board Current Junkies. What we’re looking at is essentially what our guests are after from Komodo. Why they’re actually in Komodo? Why they’ve picked it as their dream dive destination and then really connect their experience levels. Trying to cater to what they’re physically going to be able to do within the nature of the national park. And of course the biggest thing that’s going to affect us is tidal movement. It’s what Komodo is famous for, it’s its currents. With that, we’re looking at the tides. We’re looking at the season condition and weather movements, and also migrations of wildlife. Where are we going to get the best sightings possible throughout the trip? Every trip is uniquely tailored over the 5 days and 5 nights.
[00:01:49] CM: What is it about Komodo — I mean, Komodo is famous, but infamous, really, for its current. What is it about the area that makes the currents so particularly strong there? Or would you say it’s actually typical all across Indonesia?
[00:02:02] ET: Well, obviously, Indonesia is fed through the Indonesian Through Flow. You have certain areas within Indonesia that make it famous for obviously water movement. But within Komodo National Park alone, it’s essentially fed from – And what makes it unique is it’s got the Pacific Ocean in the North and it has Indian Ocean in the south. It’s comprised of three large islands, which is Komodo Island, Rinca and Padar. And roundabout those, you have 26 smaller islands. These are all sandwiched, so to speak, in between two large land masses, Sumbawa, and also Flores. And that water that’s traveling through is essentially is getting squeezed through all these channels and islands and through the straits and it basically creates this rock and roll current effect that obviously makes Komodo so infamous and priced for any diver to want to challenge themselves towards.
[00:02:58] CM: Yeah. Well, this is one of the main reasons I wanted to talk to you, is that obviously the clause in the name, Current Junkies. I know this is also up for debate. But most divers are kind of quite keen to avoid current. Obviously, people know that if you want to see the fish, the fish will be hanging out in the current. But most people don’t want to be getting thrown around. How do you manage going into these obviously quite strong currents and helping people feel confident to enjoy being in the current and knowing how to deal with it and all that kind of stuff?
[00:03:29] ET: Well. Actually, immediately, as soon as our guests are welcomed on to the board we obviously go into a really intense safety briefing. In that safety briefing, we’re trying to give our guests all of the knowledge and the knowhow that we’ve spent years developing and actually focusing that into the area specifics and how to actually deal with that current.
But when we start off, we’ll do a check dive. In that check dive, we’re immediately practicing negative entries. We’re making sure we’re probably weighted. We’re practicing finning techniques. We’re checking that everyone has the core basis of dive basics as well, from buoyancy control, to actually see where we can take the next. Our motto is that we build up through the levels of the currents. We’re not going to just dive straight into a six knot current and hope for the best. It’s carefully executed. And, also, we’re trying to push people’s comfort levels, but within a way that they feel it’s controlled, it’s safe, and they’re actually learning throughout the whole experience. And then by the end of the trip, then we’re aiming to really enter into the big boys of the national park, which most diver operators shy away from. And that is definitely not Current Junkies motto. We want to be able to witness a blue planet like pelagic feeding. As you said, that is where the current is. That’s where the action is. It’s about making it thrill-seeking, action-packed, but all through safety, knowledge and knowhow.
[00:05:02] CM: Where would you nominate, as someone — and obviously there are literally hundreds of dive sites across the park. But where would you nominate a reliable or kind of must-see sites for that super exciting action where you’re going to get to see this sort of blue planet panoramas of stuff if you’re lucky?
[00:05:19] ET: Well, in fact, there are over 50 dive sites within the national park. And then as you said, there are many more that dive operators – Just, they have a name they keep for themselves. There’s a secret hidden gem. And every dive site reacts differently to the water movement, whether that’s a rising tide, it’s a falling tide, or indeed a slack tide while we’re going to be trying to look for wildlife and action in that blue planet kind of pelagic feeding.
?Each area, whether it’s north, central, south or west, you can witness this. It’s all about picking the ride tide, the right point in the season, and it’s actually exact timing. It’s to like the miniscule. We literally sit on or both ready to jump for that precise moment to try and capture that.
In sense of the park, you have the infamous Lintah Straight, which is the main strait that feeds from the north and down to the south. And with that, it’s plankton-rich. It welcomes all the filter feeders. It’s a perfect ecosystem to try and capture this wildlife in action. Because, of course, you’ve got then all the pelagics that are coming in for this hunting action, or of course, then you’ve got the fish life that has been hunted. But ultimately, my favourite fish life experiences within the national park, they come in the deep south of Komodo National Park that is far. It’s voyaged by a very few. In fact, it’s probably the most unknown area within the national park. And that’s ultimately within every single trip onboard the Current Junkies as long as conditions can welcome us to travel there.
[00:06:59] CM: Wow! Okay. There’s a secret area. Is it basically only you guys go there?
[00:07:05] ET: You can read about these sites online, on forums. But for the years I’ve spent living and working in Komodo National Park, you’ve got thousands of dive guides. Very few of them have even been to the south of the national park. It really is a priced gem. It is a lost world. When you get down there, you feel like it is a real Jurassic Park. There are no other boats around. You only have indigenous fishing vessels or trades vessels that will be traveling through. And those are tiny little boats. You really feel like with these cascading cliffs, obviously, the stories of the infamous Komodo dragons that inhabit the landmasses there. And then open vast sees are around you and the wild waters that work down there. It really is – It’s hard to venture to. It takes time. But for us, it’s worth it. It’s show stopping. It’s dives of a lifetime, and it’s creating that magic that guests come to Current Junkies for. It’s that pelagic feeding action. It’s trying to get lucky and be precise with it and try and get that for every trip.
[00:08:10] CM: Obviously, you all have had yourself hundreds of memorable dives there. Can you name? It doesn’t have to necessarily be the most spectacular thing, but a couple of things that for you have been incredibly special to witness and that you don’t see every day?
[00:08:26] ET: Yes. Well, the great thing about Komodo National Park and probably the thing that I say to every guest that comes on board, is that Komodo is basically expecting the unexpected. Every trip, I have something that I am just overwhelmed by. It’s phenomenal. The wildlife that can travel through these waters or live within it, and within that, the natural habits or behaviours that the wildlife action permits.
But for me, it is watching that wildlife in action. Memorable moments, wild tornadoes of 50+, sometimes even ones reaching up to nearly 200 manta ray individuals on one dive and you’re witnessing everything from feeding, cleaning, the mating behaviours of course. You’ve got big trains when they’re in mating season. And they’re playful. They come up. They play with you the more time. And if you know how to obviously safely and respectfully work with this marine life, then they’re really inquisitive. And the experience that you can get that with close-up, they’re choosing, is what’s fantastic. We never try and approach wildlife when is it in action. It’s their choice to kind of come to us.
But we’ve even had whales that have drifted down the centre of the national park, and you’ve got tiger sharks feeding on them, the carcass, from like mating white reef sharks who get quite feisty and quite veracious. But I think, of course, everyone will probably have a memorable manta ray experience whenever they come to Komodo National Park.
[00:10:05] CM: Obviously, we talked about being in currents and stuff. How is it to a few, say, something like the mantis, or whatever. How do you organise people and always make sure they don’t overshoot and miss it completely? Do you usually have – Or do you have certain rocks in mind to hide people behind and stuff like that?
[00:10:22] ET: Well, that’s a great question. We’ve essentially got like four main dive sites within the national park, which are manta hotspots. Okay? Those hot spots are – Because they have cleaning stations on them. And each site’s typography is uniquely different. Whether it’s two kilometres in length or a really small focalized area, say, like Manta Alley. Each dive site, there is a specific dive briefing, which we go over with all of the guests before we go in that says immediately how we basically want the guest to interact. Where are the placements we want them to be? Whether that’s obviously behind rock faces that’s submerged to the bottom, because you’ve got a rubbly bottom. Essentially, the guide is who everyone’s focused on.
Within Current Junkies, we have normally really experienced divers. We have dive professionals who are diving with us, and they’re really looking to our placement. And as a guide, we place our divers in the best position, whether they’ve got cameras or whether just wanting the best focal view for them to witness it.
But of course, at all times, you respect the manta code. It’s three meters minimum distance away from the manta rays. You have to be flat, horizontal. You never want to be upright. That’s a defensive strategy. You got to be aware of where the manta’s vision is. So we want to be at the side of that manta ray or slightly off to the backside of it so it can see us. Never coming up from behind where its vision where is obscured, or definitely not taking it front on.
We find that the more time that we spend in the water with these beautiful majestic animals, the closer they then choose that interaction to be. We follow the code. You build that respect with that wildlife. And then they choose that interaction. If you’re behaving well, if you’re calm, you’re relaxed. And then you’re going to get the best interaction possible.
[00:12:20] CM: Yeah, that sounds fantastic. I mean, would you typically do say several dives at the same manta hotspot if the conditions were –
[00:12:29] ET: As I said, we’re driven to what the guests are after. Our schedule has a fantastic ability to be able to change at any point. Actually, I’m renowned for changing my mind because I’m like, “Okay. This is literally kicking off. We need to be here right now. This is where the action is. But really, the only manta hotspot that I would do two dives on 100% guaranteed is Manta Alley, which is in the site of site of Komodo. And that is a huge manta hotspot. Only liverboards can make it there, and it’s only a very few of us that actually venture there, and it’s just spectacular. It’s my favourite manta spot within the whole of the national park.
[00:13:11] CM: Yes. I have dived there, and it is fantastic. Yes. And you really do need to be paying attention to what you’re doing as well.
[00:13:18] ET: Yes. Especially when you’re in the alley.
[00:13:22] CM: Yeah, exactly. You mentioned earlier about cameras, and that interests me. I love taking photos, and I’ve got a big, old, heavy camera rather than one of the new sexy little ones. Obviously, for example, when I’ve been in Palau, I’ve been on boats and they’ve been sometimes just like maybe guys maybe just leave the camera behind for this particular dive, because it’s going to get really fast. I took that advice and I was very glad I took it. What advice would you have for people coming on the boat obviously before they get there? Before they drag a huge camera to – I mean, what would you suggest?
[00:13:56] ET: Well, actually, the photographers out there are not going to like this at all. But on board Current Junkies, we actually say leave the big camera rigs behind. Komodo is essentially not built for big cameras. We suggest that you bring a GoPro, a small device that is handheld to any of the dive trips. Not just with Current Junkies. Because you have to be able to make sure you can go hands free at any point. Your full focus has to be on your position in the water. What the water movement is doing around you. Not distracted by trying to get the ultimate shot and ultimately putting your safety in toll.
Like you said, of course, we do have a lot of professionals on board. They’re hugely experienced, maybe in currents as well. And with those dives, we’re basically having that one on one conversation before we go into the water. It’s like this is how many knots we think it’s going to be traveling at. I feel that you would be good with your camera on this dive, or I would suggest not bringing it. But ultimately, for us to allow someone in the water, I would never let anyone in the water with a huge piece of any equipment. I don’t think that it’s safe to have in that water at that time. It’s a dive by dive situation. But if you want to save yourself extra baggage or extra dress, then bring a small compact camera with you that definitely is clipped on to you that you can let go at any point and you’re not worried about losing it.
[00:15:27] CM: Yeah, that’s great advice. Also, it’s really nice to hear you say about that sort of one on one tailored advice dive about, whether it’s a good idea or not. I think that’s really good, but this is a lot of people where I could see them struggling sometimes when they’ve got cameras down there and things get whippy before they even realise it.
[00:15:45] ET: Of course. I’ve had even – My crew, we’ve obviously got a speedboat driver as well. Everyone that’s hugely experienced on board, whether it’s a captain or it’s my speedboat driver that’s working with me essentially to execute the dive and get the divers in the water and out of the water safely.
Also, you’ll see them having that conversation with the guests as well to kind of be like, “I really would kind of like leave that one on the boat,” and take memories with you. Every single time we’ve came up, it’s been a decision that they’ve been happy that they’ve made.
[00:16:22] CM: I think it is really great particularly if you’re used to using a camera. I dive most of the time with the cameras. Obviously, I’m in taking photos mode. And then the last couple of years, I started doing a fair bit of diving without it. And it is like a whole new world, as the song goes, and it’s really great to enjoy stuff even though you’re quietly cursing that you didn’t get the photo of the amazing thing.
[00:16:44] ET: Yeah, 100%.
[00:16:44] CM: But you wouldn’t have got a good photo of that anyway, because it went by so quick.
[00:16:48] ET: We’ve had guys from the BBC, National Geographic. We have lots of people that they’re to get like certain footage from the national park and knew their kind of like safety diver, the spot diver. Even there, they’re hugely experienced with handling cameras underwater and different types of water movement. And even they have limits. Everyone’s got a limit. Especially if you’re a holiday diver, and the dive professionals onboard say, “Yeah!” Ultimately, we want to try and make up that experience. We’re then looking if they’re after those pictures and we’re, “Okay. Right. Maybe we can tailor the diving or trip where it’s going to be easier for you to get that camera out and get the shots and the wildlife that you’re hoping to try and achieve.” Of course, you just want to make sure everyone gets everything out of those trip that they want out of it. The experience is hugely important.
[00:17:38] CM: If we just jump back to the obvious star of the park, the Komodo dragons themselves.
[00:17:43] ET: Yes.
[00:17:44] CM: If I remember correctly, they are obviously on Komodo Island, but there are actually more to be seen on Rinca Island. Isn’t that right?
[00:17:52] ET: Yes. Well, obviously, Komodo Island was what first where it was declared a nature reserve in 1965. And then obviously in 1977, a biosphere. And it was Komodo Island that was really given a fame for the actual Komodo dragon. However, you can also find them on Rinca and Padar, on Gilimontang. And actually, Komodo dragons do swim not for a long period of time. But through my years that I’ve been there, we have spotted them on various other small islands as well. You’ve got your five main ones that they’re known to be on. But they could be any area within the national park. They’re not a guest you’re expecting to see in the water with you, should I say.
[00:18:35] CM: That is on Horseshoe Bay, which is at the bottom of Rinca, isn’t it?
[00:18:38] ET: Yeah. [inaudible 00:18:39] Horseshoe Bay, you have the infamous Cannibal Rock actually named, where of course when you’re down in the south foot of Rinca island, within that bay you have a small stretch of beach, and there’s a small population of Komodo dragons that are there. But they are about half the size of the other dragons that are further inland of these islands. Because they’ve got smaller wildlife there to feed on and to live off. They don’t have the big water buffalos down there. They don’t have the Timor deer, which is their priced food, as mainly kind of wild boars and other dragons down there for them to feed off. Those ones that you can see swimming in a lot of the Komodo pictures, they are smaller in size. They are not the big three-meter giants that you can further inland.
[00:19:25] CM: Okay. The diving in Horseshoe Bay, as you say the infamous Cannibal Rock. And then very nearby is Yellow Wall and Torpedo Alley, right?
[00:19:35] ET: Yes.
[00:19:35] CM: Every time I dive there, those have been fairly sedate dives. It’s like there’s never been like a raging current or whatever. Does that happen or is it just in a naturally sheltered area?
[00:19:45] ET: No. It’s in a naturally sheltered area. I’ve never seen anything really over three knots within the main centre of the bay roundabout Cannibal Rock or to Yellow Wall of Texas. Where it’s obviously positioned, it’s just got that ability to slow down that water movement. When we’re down there, our main focus of course being Current Junkies is to where the current states are. That’s actually a little bit further south from there, fully submerged. Sites like Rodeo Rock. And you guess from the name that it does indeed witness some beautiful current action.
[00:20:19] CM: Horseshow Bay is where you go to come down afterwards.
[00:20:21] ET: Well, Horseshow Bay is – Yeah. Horseshoe Bay, it’s a fantastic, beautiful spot for all the terrestrial. It’s fantastic to see the Komodo dragons obviously out there on the beach and sometimes swimming in the water if they’re trying to cool themselves down. But of course, for me, as the dive guide, where I would be drawn towards is in Rodeo Rock. But then if you’ve got the budding photographers, you’ve got the macro lovers, then Cannibal Rock is fantastic for that. It really depends. Does the guest want macro? Did he want big pelagics? Did he want fish, coral? What are they after? That area alone has three kind of like unique ecosystems within it. Generally, for us, it’s a couple of dives. Maybe we stay the night and we’d venture into the more big dive sites.
[00:21:11] CM: Right. Sure. One of my favourite sites, and unfortunately I haven’t dived Komodo for about 7 or 8 years now. But one of my favourite sites, I’ve dived the place about 4 or 5 times, and every single time Castle Rock was an amazing dive site for me. Would you say that’s still the case?
[00:21:29] ET: Yeah. I mean, Castle Rock is phenomenal. It’s one of the four or probably most famous dive sites within the national park and it’s one that’s accessible from liverboard or from day boats. For me, I’m a shark fanatic. That’s the reason I got into diving. I love sharks. Castle Rock is a phenomenal shark dive. It’s a fully submerged twin reef, and the shark actually you can get there is fantastic. But for us, onboard Current Junkies, you got to like to wake up early. Because Castle Rock for us, you can dive it on any tide. Preferably not slack dive or unless you just want to do a circuit of the dive site.
You’re looking for the current action there. But the best time for us is first thing in the morning, first light. When you’re getting that real hunting action that’s still happening where you have all the big predators out on force, whether it’s the grey reefs or the white tips, followed in close pursuit by the groupers and napoleons that are really basically getting the last bits of energy before the sun is kind of coming up. And then you get in that change where the light coming in. You’re then seeing all of the fish species and feel abundance. And it’s about creating that whole experience. But, yeah, Castle Rock is a phenomenal shark dive. It’s definitely for the experienced diver only though.
[00:22:53] CM: You mentioned earlier about seeing tiger sharks feasting on the whale carcass. Have you seen – Obviously, not every species. But like have you seen hammerheads in Komodo?
[00:23:03] ET: Yeah. Hammerheads, of course, being a shark fanatic. It’s something that I hunt for, so to speak. Literally, it’s kind of like if you go in Safari, you’re looking for the big game. Onboard Current Junkies, we’re looking for the big wildlife. For me, 100%, getting in a sighting of a hammerhead within the national park is fantastic. There are certain times of year and there are definitely certain sites within the national park that you’re looking for those kinds. It’s generally the scalloped hammerheads that we get there. Could be single individuals, but most commonly is schooling hammerheads. Of course, that is fantastic. But you can get anything coming through the park, whether it’s whale shark or even bronze whalers, and silver tips. I’ve seen quite a few crazy experiences with sharks within the national parks that I didn’t expect to see there at that time. But hammerheads is something that I year round I’m looking for.
[00:24:02] CM: Okay. You mentioned just in about depending on the time of year. Obviously, like everywhere in the world, diving seasons change. When would you recommend that someone should be thinking about going to Komodo? I mean, is it a year-round destination, for example? Or is there a particular definite times to think about as the best times to go?
[00:24:20] ET: Well, Komodo National Park, you can dive there year round. What you’ve got to consider is the divers from January through to March, you have the monsoon season. Within the national park itself, the actual rainfall isn’t torrential the way that it is around other areas of Indonesia. However, you do have bigger sea conditions. With that, you can have a lot of upwelling. So visibility can get reduced as well. So, onboard Current Junkies, we operate our trips from March through to December. Really trying to avoid January and February. That’s purely our choice. However, January and February does open up the south of Komodo National Park. It is a great time if you’re still looking to venture there. But it’s considering that January and February, you’re not going to have access to north of Komodo National Park.
And then it is year round because, say, half of the season you can dive all around all areas, whether that’s north, central, south, or west. And then, say, three months on the other of the season, the south will be closed off or the north will be closed off. So it’s kind of trying to find out what dive sites have we heard of what marine life are you hoping to see. What kind of see conditions are you happy as s diver to go for? And then get in contact with the dive centres, speaking to them. And then they can advise you clearly which season to try and aim for. That’s definitely something that Current Junkies do. It’s trying to get the ultimate trip for every guest onboard. So we want to make sure we give precise details to everyone’s who’s booking. It’s not about getting numbers in. It’s about creating the ultimate dive experiences for people.
[00:26:09] CM: Sure. As we sort of start to wrap this up, you’ve been working there for quite a few years. I mean, do you think the national park has got better? Has it got worse? Has it become too crowded? Has the coral got better or got worse? I mean, what’s your general sense of how things are going in terms of the marine life and the reef life there?
[00:26:29] ET: When we first ventured to Komodo as a guest, in the harbour, there was only fishing boats and there was maybe like 5 dive centres within the area. Now, there is over 100 boats operating within the national park. With that, it’s obviously exploded. Komodo has exploded with tourism within the area. Whether that’d be diving tourism or it’s actually just snorkel and land visit tourism. The national park there is really trying to create a regulated body of ships that are venturing in and out of that nature reserve.
Fur us, the biggest challenge within recent year is obviously the amount of divers within the water. If you’re not picking the right time, if you’re not picking the right area, then you’re going to have other people in the water. In Current Junkies, we try and go 14 dives out of 14 without seeing anyone else there. It’s about trying to have that unique experience for guests, one guide and only us in the water witnessing it. For me, the biggest challenge is trying to stay away from the masses. Ultimately, the fact that we travel further than many other boats welcomes that opportunity for us to still stay away from the crowds. Of course, with that, you’re trying to then manage so many boats. You then got, of course, more potential for human destruction with that, which is sad to say. But on land, they regulate how many people are on the land visits and how many people are with each group. And the major dive sites, they’ve not started doing that carrying capacity, where they’re actually doing studies currently to see the effects of tourism within the area, whether that’s above with the boats or whether that’s below with the divers. We’re in the midst of a study actually going with that.
The more that it continuous to go, the more dive sites that will be brought into that, obviously, within the national park and also looking at outside bodies as well that are keeping an eye on that. We have bodies like WWF that are working within the national park. You have Marine Megafauna, Manta Watch, all of these main famous kind of conservationists are keeping a close eye on everything within the park. But we’re lucky with the coral, the way that our thermal water temperature is regulated from part of the season being warmer climates, which obviously can unfortunately cause that coral bleaching. We then have that change of season that I was talking about with the monsoon coming in. You then have that colder, more nutrient-rich. So that natural restoration process currently right now has a chance to heal.
I think the biggest outward effects that I’ve seen on a whole is of course the potential of plastic pollution that can come in. And no matter how protected your national park is, we do have human life on outskirts, and some of this can travel from a long way. So, luckily, every operator that’s within the national park is active at beach cleaning, at cleaning up to try and restore that. But I think as divers, we all know than having problems that we’re faced for the future, and Komodo National Park is obviously a jewel that’s protected, but we’re even starting to see the outwards effects of this even coming into a national park. So that’s something that we’re trying to keep a grasp on for sure.
[00:29:49] CM: Yeah. It’s a never ending battle, isn’t it?
[00:29:51] ET: Yeah.
[00:29:52] CM: It’s so great to talk to you about this, Emma. Thank you so much for coming on the show and explaining Komodo to us.
[00:29:58] ET: Perfect. Thank you so much for having me onboard, Chris.
[00:30:03] CM: All right, Emma. Thanks very much.
[00:30:04] ET: Thank you.
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